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		<title>By: Gayle Kaler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gayle Kaler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We get there one relationship at a time remembering that every one has value.</description>
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		<title>By: Della Rucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Della Rucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how you said that -- &quot;emotional maturity and leadership.&quot;  One of my big questions is how to engender that in the local government/private sector world....goes back to the Enlightenment and Progressive optimism over human potential, if we want to get deep about it.  Anyone have any bright ideas on how we get there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how you said that &#8212; &#8220;emotional maturity and leadership.&#8221;  One of my big questions is how to engender that in the local government/private sector world&#8230;.goes back to the Enlightenment and Progressive optimism over human potential, if we want to get deep about it.  Anyone have any bright ideas on how we get there?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott A. Gibbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott A. Gibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Della:  I think you make a very valid argument.  It&#039;s easy to blame economic developers; however, it is over simplistic to think that any economic development program can effectively propel a local, regional, or state economy to sustainable heights.  In fact, there is virtually no evidence that supports the efficacy of economic development, if one differentiates between economic growth, and economic development.  We need to re-frame the  economic development discussion from one grounded in capital recruitment, and economic development organizations.  An ecosystem model that embraces the complexity of a community&#039;s health is a good starting point.  We are all stakeholders that have a tendency to work in silos.  Whether we are economic developers, educators, social service providers, housing advocates, environmentalists, etc.; we need to learn to enter in a true dialogue, and build open, collaborative systems to build healthy communities. The necessary ingredient to this challenge is emotional maturity, and leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Della:  I think you make a very valid argument.  It&#8217;s easy to blame economic developers; however, it is over simplistic to think that any economic development program can effectively propel a local, regional, or state economy to sustainable heights.  In fact, there is virtually no evidence that supports the efficacy of economic development, if one differentiates between economic growth, and economic development.  We need to re-frame the  economic development discussion from one grounded in capital recruitment, and economic development organizations.  An ecosystem model that embraces the complexity of a community&#8217;s health is a good starting point.  We are all stakeholders that have a tendency to work in silos.  Whether we are economic developers, educators, social service providers, housing advocates, environmentalists, etc.; we need to learn to enter in a true dialogue, and build open, collaborative systems to build healthy communities. The necessary ingredient to this challenge is emotional maturity, and leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: So how do we start building Wise Economies? Economies = Communities =Ecosystems &#124; Wise Economy &#124; Oikos</title>
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		<dc:creator>So how do we start building Wise Economies? Economies = Communities =Ecosystems &#124; Wise Economy &#124; Oikos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 10:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Della Rucker</title>
		<link>http://wiseeconomy.com/so-how-do-we-start-building-wise-economies-economies-communities-ecosystems/#comment-201</link>
		<dc:creator>Della Rucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a really good point, George.  Sociologists (or psychologists, I forget which) call that &quot;enlightened self-interest,&quot;  which is also a critical component of various environmental strategies and things like social criteria-based investing.  

I think one of the key challenges of the next generation is to transform the relationship between person and community from that of consumer to that of member.  Some forces seem to be pushing us in that direction -- the interest in urban living and urban redevelopment, for one thing -- but the fragmenting of socioeconomic groups, and that old American mantra of pulling up roots and moving if you don&#039;t like it here, are pretty powerful forces working against the idea of being a participant, not a buyer.   So I can&#039;t quite see where it&#039;s going to go</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a really good point, George.  Sociologists (or psychologists, I forget which) call that &#8220;enlightened self-interest,&#8221;  which is also a critical component of various environmental strategies and things like social criteria-based investing.  </p>
<p>I think one of the key challenges of the next generation is to transform the relationship between person and community from that of consumer to that of member.  Some forces seem to be pushing us in that direction &#8212; the interest in urban living and urban redevelopment, for one thing &#8212; but the fragmenting of socioeconomic groups, and that old American mantra of pulling up roots and moving if you don&#8217;t like it here, are pretty powerful forces working against the idea of being a participant, not a buyer.   So I can&#8217;t quite see where it&#8217;s going to go</p>
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		<title>By: George McConnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>George McConnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 11:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contribution toward bettering a community system by individual members will happen if there is a real tangible incentive for them to due so. To take a proprietary interest in ones community one must realize how much they have to loose if they don&#039;t. Switzerland is a good example and model.Their treasure and their community are tied together so investment in the community is both individual and corporate.Therefore the members take a proprietary interest in their community and it&#039;s successes as well as failures. They build a more durable system because everyone benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contribution toward bettering a community system by individual members will happen if there is a real tangible incentive for them to due so. To take a proprietary interest in ones community one must realize how much they have to loose if they don&#8217;t. Switzerland is a good example and model.Their treasure and their community are tied together so investment in the community is both individual and corporate.Therefore the members take a proprietary interest in their community and it&#8217;s successes as well as failures. They build a more durable system because everyone benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Rybeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Rybeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article.  As you note, economies are complex systems that encompass cities, suburbs and rural areas.  Economies are often characterized by the quantity and character of production, but cannot be divorced from their environment, culture, politics and quality of life.

You also mentioned that one key to dealing with the complexity of economies is to understand and internalize externalities.  Some techniques that have been successfully used in this regard can be found at http://www.justeconomicsllc.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article.  As you note, economies are complex systems that encompass cities, suburbs and rural areas.  Economies are often characterized by the quantity and character of production, but cannot be divorced from their environment, culture, politics and quality of life.</p>
<p>You also mentioned that one key to dealing with the complexity of economies is to understand and internalize externalities.  Some techniques that have been successfully used in this regard can be found at <a href="http://www.justeconomicsllc.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.justeconomicsllc.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Della: You have hit the nail on the head.  For a while in my silo, I did not buy into the &quot;community sustainability&quot; model.  Now, I can&#039;t see without it.  The sustainability model and it&#039;s community interaction process looks at the community as an ecosystem of the Economy, Natural and Built Environment and the Social Fabric.  In so involving the community, it has become apparent to me that economic development begins at the Neighborhood level.  There is wisdom in the neighborhoods that needs to be tapped for the community to move forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Della: You have hit the nail on the head.  For a while in my silo, I did not buy into the &#8220;community sustainability&#8221; model.  Now, I can&#8217;t see without it.  The sustainability model and it&#8217;s community interaction process looks at the community as an ecosystem of the Economy, Natural and Built Environment and the Social Fabric.  In so involving the community, it has become apparent to me that economic development begins at the Neighborhood level.  There is wisdom in the neighborhoods that needs to be tapped for the community to move forward.</p>
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		<title>By: William Lutz</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Lutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an interesting read.  

I don&#039;t want to sound overly cynical, but I think the most basic function of Economic Development is to improve the community&#039;s tax base and resources for the future.  I am convinced that most Economic Development departments don&#039;t really care that people have a job; they are more worried about the taxes that come from a new hire&#039;s income or the bump in property tax evaluation or a new shop&#039;s ability to sell stuff.  

Now that I threw that out there, I think it&#039;s important to realize that local governments are transitioning into a new reality.  The last few years, local governments, facing fewer resources, have been put in a position to only do those things that provide a positive impact to the local government&#039;s bottom line.  As an example, think of all the local government swimming pools that have closed down.  Elected officials or community critics continue to tell local governments to be &quot;run more like a business&quot;.  Part of that mantra comes the requirement that local government services start putting out statistics showing where the money is being spent and what is being accomplished.

The problem with the concept of statistical reporting, espeically in economic development, is that we are only focused on what we can control, which is usually outputs, not outcomes, which hold the real meaning.  Like you said, we can talk and report ad nauseum about how many trips/visits/handshakes were made during the past year.  But, in the end, did we make our economy any better?  That is hard to measure because for every statistic saying &quot;yes&quot;, we can find one that says &quot;no&quot; and I think intellectually, we struggle to find the connections between the statistics we like and those we don&#039;t, and when we do find that connection, we finally come to the realization that there is probably not a damn thing we can do about it, or at least, we need to work to develop new relationships with new groups to start to move the needle of progress.

And, in the end, isn&#039;t that the real problem?  Local economies are either being grown or shrunk by people, not the local government.  Local governments do a dis-service when they think or act or believe that they can solve every problem, they simply can&#039;t, even though they are often asked to do so.  By the same token, residents put their local governments in a bad spot when they believe and ask local governments to solve every problem that exists.

So, what do we do?  I am not sure, but I think it&#039;s safe to say local government is still highly relational; ok, political.  Our residents end up losing or gaining faith in us if they know who we are and what we do.  We simply have to be willing to tell our stories and to tell our residents that we can only do so much and we have to use the tools we have to move the ball forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting read.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to sound overly cynical, but I think the most basic function of Economic Development is to improve the community&#8217;s tax base and resources for the future.  I am convinced that most Economic Development departments don&#8217;t really care that people have a job; they are more worried about the taxes that come from a new hire&#8217;s income or the bump in property tax evaluation or a new shop&#8217;s ability to sell stuff.  </p>
<p>Now that I threw that out there, I think it&#8217;s important to realize that local governments are transitioning into a new reality.  The last few years, local governments, facing fewer resources, have been put in a position to only do those things that provide a positive impact to the local government&#8217;s bottom line.  As an example, think of all the local government swimming pools that have closed down.  Elected officials or community critics continue to tell local governments to be &#8220;run more like a business&#8221;.  Part of that mantra comes the requirement that local government services start putting out statistics showing where the money is being spent and what is being accomplished.</p>
<p>The problem with the concept of statistical reporting, espeically in economic development, is that we are only focused on what we can control, which is usually outputs, not outcomes, which hold the real meaning.  Like you said, we can talk and report ad nauseum about how many trips/visits/handshakes were made during the past year.  But, in the end, did we make our economy any better?  That is hard to measure because for every statistic saying &#8220;yes&#8221;, we can find one that says &#8220;no&#8221; and I think intellectually, we struggle to find the connections between the statistics we like and those we don&#8217;t, and when we do find that connection, we finally come to the realization that there is probably not a damn thing we can do about it, or at least, we need to work to develop new relationships with new groups to start to move the needle of progress.</p>
<p>And, in the end, isn&#8217;t that the real problem?  Local economies are either being grown or shrunk by people, not the local government.  Local governments do a dis-service when they think or act or believe that they can solve every problem, they simply can&#8217;t, even though they are often asked to do so.  By the same token, residents put their local governments in a bad spot when they believe and ask local governments to solve every problem that exists.</p>
<p>So, what do we do?  I am not sure, but I think it&#8217;s safe to say local government is still highly relational; ok, political.  Our residents end up losing or gaining faith in us if they know who we are and what we do.  We simply have to be willing to tell our stories and to tell our residents that we can only do so much and we have to use the tools we have to move the ball forward.</p>
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